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<h1 id="sigaltarch-meeting-2024-01-12">SIG/AltArch meeting 2024-01-12<a class="headerlink" href="#sigaltarch-meeting-2024-01-12" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h1>
<h2 id="attendees">Attendees:<a class="headerlink" href="#attendees" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h2>
<pre><code>* Sherif
* Bryan
* Neil Hanlon
* Skip Grube
* Jason Rodriguez
* Jonathan Maple
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<h2 id="follow-ups">Follow Ups<a class="headerlink" href="#follow-ups" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h2>
<ul>
<li>SBC Testing with <em>vendor</em> uboot - https://git.resf.org/codedude/SBC-Testing<ul>
<li>Basically everything is working except one of the Libre boards (Frite)</li>
<li>https://git.resf.org/codedude/SBC-Testing/src/branch/main/testing/details.md</li>
<li>Whack-a-mole with kernel options and support for different kernels<ul>
<li>Might be possible to patch for RK3389, as enabling this board breaks Libre borads </li>
<li>Also is possible to disable USB2 for RK3389, but this is not preferable</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Kernel Config - RHEL vs Kernel KConfigs</li>
<li>SIG/Kernel kernel is based on the Fedora Rawhide branch of kernel, but uses the KConfig named <a href="https://gitlab.com/cki-project/kernel-ark/-/blob/os-build/Kconfig.redhat">'.redhat'</a><ul>
<li>We want to use this as a base, and change config options as needed to enable SBCs</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>January 2024 UBoot is out with fixes, should help with some of the reliance on Vendor UBoots<ul>
<li>Bryan will work on testing new uboot with these boards for next meeting</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>OSU OSL has arm hardware available for us, this will help enable armhfp/arm7vl/32-bit arm<ul>
<li>Hoping to have this ready to build things in the beginning of February</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>RISCV hardware<ul>
<li>Should look at getting a few more SiFive VF2</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<h2 id="open-floor">Open Floor<a class="headerlink" href="#open-floor" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h2>
<ul>
<li>Raspberry Pi 5 Support<ul>
<li>check upstream for firmware, throw into our repo, rebuild image and test</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<h2 id="action-items">Action Items<a class="headerlink" href="#action-items" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h2>
<ul>
<li>Build Jan 2024 UBoot - Sherif</li>
<li>Raspberry Pi 5 Support - Skip</li>
<li>Order RPI 5 hardware for testers/altarch - Neil<ul>
<li>~~Maybe buy this locally in London instead for Pablo~~ -- nevermind they're not in London...<ul>
<li>Pimironi or pihut - ship to Sherif</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Neil to actually make tickets for the follow ups / decisions. But, like, for real this time<ul>
<li>I'm really going to do it this week, I promise.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Setup ARM hardware for armhfp - neil</li>
<li>Neil to figure out what RISCv hardware we need</li>
</ul>
<h2 id="old-business">Old business<a class="headerlink" href="#old-business" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h2>
<h3 id="2023-12-15">2023-12-15<a class="headerlink" href="#2023-12-15" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h3>
<ul>
<li>Neil to actually make tickets for the follow ups / decisions. But, like, for real this time.</li>
<li>Neil to reach out to people re: ARMHFP hardwares<ul>
<li>Ampere</li>
<li>OSUOSL</li>
<li>Fabian (arrfab)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Neil to figure out what RISCv hardware we need</li>
<li>Announce Dec 29th meeting cancelation</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="2023-10-20">2023-10-20<a class="headerlink" href="#2023-10-20" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h3>
<h4 id="action-items_1">Action Items<a class="headerlink" href="#action-items_1" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h4>
<ul>
<li>Libre Compute - Try/Investigate using vendor tree to build uboot - Pratham</li>
<li>Investigate <code>arm-image-installer</code> script/tool for helping write disk images for specific boards - Sherif (?)</li>
<li>Odroid N2 - Track installability</li>
<li>Orange Pi 5 - Track installability</li>
<li>Rock5b - Track installability</li>
<li>Libre Computing Boards (3)</li>
<li>Maintenance - Importing dependencies from Fedora/EPEL</li>
<li>Document process on backporting uboot and kernels - Pablo<ul>
<li>To include information on how we work and interact with upstreams, with examples! - Sherif</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Check and investigate which boards have hardcoded grubx64 paths in their uboot; address them</li>
<li>Acquire armhfp (arm7vl) hardware - Neil to reach out to OSU OSL</li>
<li>Neil - Investigate what and how much riscv hardware we need.. and where we'll host it</li>
</ul>
<h4 id="decisions">Decisions<a class="headerlink" href="#decisions" title="Permanent link">&para;</a></h4>
<pre><code>* Images should be generic so as to be able to be installed on any board, where possible.
* uboot can live on SPI or external flash
* We need to help document this for our users and have guides on how to get the SBCs working. This is a big pain point for many SBC users as there is so much variation.
* To this end, we should investigate some tooling to aid in writing images for boards which will boot on the first try.
* Uboot should similarly be generic and work for all boards, insofar as it is practical to do so.
* Some boards this doesn't make sense for, e.g., ones that have uboot from 2014 + hundreds of patches, however, these are few and far between. For these, we can package them as RPMs and provide them (see note below re: licensing)
* We will wait for the next Kernel.org LTS to be cut, as that should have all the changes for the boards we're talking about.
* We will engage with our upstreams (Fedora, ELRepo, etc) for changes we make with the Kernel SIG for AltArch/SBC support.
* This necessitates participating in SIG/Kernel to represent our needs in these kernels.
* We should strive to perform native builds when possible, but recognize that emulation is a necessary evil.
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<div class="admonition note">
<p class="admonition-title">uboot and other licensing</p>
<p>We need to ensure that we are careful about the licensing of softwares we wish to include in the SIG distribution.</p>
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